Tim Chiasson: Sharks Should Call About TJ Oshie Marleau shouldn't fall on his face again, but you never know. Having a legitimate second line without him would be a nice backup plan.

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Do you really think the Blues are willing/considering trading Oshie?

If so, I think he would be fantastic to round out our Top 6 if he came at the right price.

Don't forget what this team needs most... defense. If we are going to pull off a trade it needs to be for a Top Pairing Defenseman over a Top Line Winger 100%.

Getting Oshie in teal would be awesome, I just fear we give up too much to fill a need that isn't a priority for this team right now.

Do you really think the Blues are willing/considering trading Oshie?

If so, I think he would be fantastic to round out our Top 6 if he came at the right price.

Don't forget what this team needs most... defense. If we are going to pull off a trade it needs to be for a Top Pairing Defenseman over a Top Line Winger 100%.

Getting Oshie in teal would be awesome, I just fear we give up too much to fill a need that isn't a priority for this team right now.
- mxgsfmdpx

All depends on what their cap plan is. I wouldn't overpay either given defensive needs, but it's worth looking into.

All depends on what their cap plan is. I wouldn't overpay either given defensive needs, but it's worth looking into.
- Tim Chiasson

Tim Chiasson: Sharks Should Call About TJ Oshie
Marleau shouldn't fall on his face again, but you never know. Having a legitimate second line without him would be a nice backup plan.
- Tim Chiasson

l'd like Oshie that'd be a good pick up. It'd probably take a 2nd rd pick & defensive prospect more than likely. I wouldn't give up mirco or Bergman though. I wonder if a combination of Demelo, Tennyson, or Ryan could get it done.

Hey Tim FTF gave you some love today albeit of your crazy talk of trading the 9th pick for Bernier, but still pretty cool.

l'd like Oshie that'd be a good pick up. It'd probably take a 2nd rd pick & defensive prospect more than likely. I wouldn't give up mirco or Bergman though. I wonder if a combination of Demelo, Tennyson, or Ryan could get it done.
- SJSharks39

Based on a discussion I had w/DW regarding DeMelo, he's going to be moving between the Sharks & Cuda next year. Maybe one of the others you mentioned though.

But, buyer beware w/Oshie as the main reason he may be available is underperformance in the playoffs. He'd still be an upgrade over over current options to fill out top six, with the wildcards being Hertl & Goldobin. I think the latter has a better option of making the team out of camp than most people think. Hertl had some real chemistry working w/Tierney, so it'll be interesting to see what a new coach thinks/does with him.

All depends on what their cap plan is. I wouldn't overpay either given defensive needs, but it's worth looking into.
- Tim Chiasson

We know they most definitely have to shed salary with them being up against it & having a big (frank)ing raise for Tarasenko & have to resign Allen.

You'd figure Oshie, Backes & Berglund could be had this offseason.

Based on a discussion I had w/DW regarding DeMelo, he's going to be moving between the Sharks & Cuda next year. Maybe one of the others you mentioned though.

But, buyer beware w/Oshie as the main reason he may be available is underperformance in the playoffs. He'd still be an upgrade over over current options to fill out top six, with the wildcards being Hertl & Goldobin. I think the latter has a better option of making the team out of camp than most people think. Hertl had some real chemistry working w/Tierney, so it'll be interesting to see what a new coach thinks/does with him.
- Sharx1

That could have something to do with it for sure, but the main reason is they have to shed salary.

Couture for Pietrangelo.

Sharks back in playoffs.

Goldobin looked overwhelmed at AHL level. I have a hard time seeing him cracking the roster next year.

I disagree with putting Hertl with Jumbo and Pavs. They need a hard forechecker who can go to the net after doing work along the boards and they have that in Karlsson. Unless they get another hard forechecker, why mess up the chemistry? it was our best and most consistent line all year. The idea of putting more skill on that line is interesting, but as Ken Dryden once said, you need pieces that complement each other.

Oshie is intriguing because his cap hit is around what I would pay to get Frolik UFA and he is better than Frolik. The only downside is, you have to pay in assets to get Oshie, while Frolik could be had for slight overpayment without giving up prospects and picks. But again, Oshie is better, and is likely a goner on the blues.

Nieto or Wingels would almost certainly be going the other way due to low cap hit. Hertl is part of the future core and probably not going anywhere.

The true shame in the matter is the blues are not likely as disillusioned with Pietrangelo or Shattenkirk, who are top defensemen. if either of them were available, I would sell a lot of the farm to get one.

Couture for Pietrangelo.

Sharks back in playoffs.
- Iggysbff

You old bastard enough with your Couture hate

Just let it go iggy Logan ain't going nowhere......also Pietrangelo ain't going nowhere either.

We know they most definitely have to shed salary with them being up against it & having a big (frank)ing raise for Tarasenko & have to resign Allen.

You'd figure Oshie, Backes & Berglund could be had this offseason.
- SJSharks39

Agreed, but Backes may be worth kicking the tires on instead.

Michalek would be an interesting UFA d pick up, provided the term is not too long.
Blues are said to want to keep him, but they may not be able to find cap space for him.

You old bastard enough with your Couture hate

Just let it go iggy Logan ain't going nowhere......also Pietrangelo ain't going nowhere either.
- SJSharks39

Never

I like the sharks but Couture is a massive douchecanoe. I'd love the sharks without him!

That could have something to do with it for sure, but the main reason is they have to shed salary.
- SJSharks39

Oshie was one of the underperformers for sure.

But he is on a reasonable cap hit for the next 2 years. only 4.5 million for a 60 points guy.

The honest truth is, Stastny and Bouwmeester are their albatross contracts. They are paying 7 million a year to a 3rd line center(Will likely bump to 2nd line once Backes or Steen is gone) and 5.4 million a year to a 2nd pairing Dman who lost his offense.

Well if we had Oshie we would have a shootout specialist. He has beautiful mits. I would like the Sharks to upgrade in the following order.

1. New coach before draft.
2. The Draft. Trade up and get a high end D prospect, hell trade to get Hanifin.
3. Goalie
4. Move other pieces to complete forward group.
5. Return to form and become a dominate team again...

Goldobin looked overwhelmed at AHL level. I have a hard time seeing him cracking the roster next year.

I disagree with putting Hertl with Jumbo and Pavs. They need a hard forechecker who can go to the net after doing work along the boards and they have that in Karlsson. Unless they get another hard forechecker, why mess up the chemistry? it was our best and most consistent line all year. The idea of putting more skill on that line is interesting, but as Ken Dryden once said, you need pieces that complement each other.

Oshie is intriguing because his cap hit is around what I would pay to get Frolik UFA and he is better than Frolik. The only downside is, you have to pay in assets to get Oshie, while Frolik could be had for slight overpayment without giving up prospects and picks. But again, Oshie is better, and is likely a goner on the blues.

Nieto or Wingels would almost certainly be going the other way due to low cap hit. Hertl is part of the future core and probably not going anywhere.

The true shame in the matter is the blues are not likely as disillusioned with Pietrangelo or Shattenkirk, who are top defensemen. if either of them were available, I would sell a lot of the farm to get one.
- j0e Th0rnton

Quite a small sample size to jugde him on, 14 games inthe AHL & you think he's not going to make the team........we don't know it'll all depend on training camp Mr. knowitall.

Also we don't want Karlsson playing on the top line, he needs to be on the 3rd line plain & simple that's where he belongs. He did an admirable job playing with the Joe's but he doesn't belong on the top line with the Joe's this season, it'll be Goldobin or newly acqured player on that top line.

Oshie was one of the underperformers for sure.

But he is on a reasonable cap hit for the next 2 years. only 4.5 million for a 60 points guy.

The honest truth is, Stastny and Bouwmeester are their albatross contracts. They are paying 7 million a year to a 3rd line center(Will likely bump to 2nd line once Backes or Steen is gone) and 5.4 million a year to a 2nd pairing Dman who lost his offense.
- j0e Th0rnton

You worry about blueliners and there offensive output too much in my opinion alot has do if they're on the pp, but i hear ya Bouwmeester definitely had an off year but he's still a good possession guy as Tim would say I'm sure he'll bounce back next year.

If it takes anything other than picks/low-mid level prospects then I'm not interested in Oshie. If a team is cap strapped and looking to unload the last thing you want to give them is market value or a "fair deal". If we have to deal someone off our NHL roster, or soon to be on our NHL roster then we're making 0 progress. Nieto and Wingels are really our only trade pieces off our NHL team that make sense. So, why use them to get a forward when we clearly need to upgrade D and Goalie. If we're going to package picks and Nieto/Wingels then we should get a Defensemen in return. Someone we can slot with Braun in our top 4.

Goldobin looked overwhelmed at AHL level. I have a hard time seeing him cracking the roster next year.

I disagree with putting Hertl with Jumbo and Pavs. They need a hard forechecker who can go to the net after doing work along the boards and they have that in Karlsson. Unless they get another hard forechecker, why mess up the chemistry? it was our best and most consistent line all year. The idea of putting more skill on that line is interesting, but as Ken Dryden once said, you need pieces that complement each other.

Oshie is intriguing because his cap hit is around what I would pay to get Frolik UFA and he is better than Frolik. The only downside is, you have to pay in assets to get Oshie, while Frolik could be had for slight overpayment without giving up prospects and picks. But again, Oshie is better, and is likely a goner on the blues.

Nieto or Wingels would almost certainly be going the other way due to low cap hit. Hertl is part of the future core and probably not going anywhere.

The true shame in the matter is the blues are not likely as disillusioned with Pietrangelo or Shattenkirk, who are top defensemen. if either of them were available, I would sell a lot of the farm to get one.
- j0e Th0rnton

I will admit I didn't see any Woosta games that he played in, and -6 in 9 games may be an issue, but he did have 5 pts. In those 9 games, with 18.8 shooting %. I don't know how much icetime he saw in the playoffs, but he's listed as playing in all 4 games, and was even when half of the rest were minus. He was one of the only players to not get at least a point, but 9 regular season games, then jumping into the playoffs against a strong opponent could be a bit overwhelming for any young player trying to adapt to playing in NA vs. Europe. I consider him a wildcard mainly because he nearly made the cut last year.

Quite a small sample size to jugde him on, 14 games inthe AHL & you think he's not going to make the team........we don't know it'll all depend on training camp Mr. knowitall.

Also we don't want Karlsson playing on the top line, he needs to be on the 3rd line plain & simple that's where he belongs. He did an admirable job playing with the Joe's but he doesn't belong on the top line with the Joe's this season, it'll be Goldobin or newly acqured player on that top line.
- SJSharks39

Goldobin could prove me wrong. But he still looked ovewhelmed and overmatched. Not judging his talent, but judging by his beig "outsized" and his general need to "Think" about everything on the defensive side of the ice. He has improved in effort defensively from his Sarnia days, but you can tell by reaction times he has not built the muscle memory for that side of the game yet.

He needs to bulk up this offseason and drill drill drill in his own end of the rink the simple plays. No need to rush him to NHL level when he is clearly not ready. He is TINY and getting outmuscled all the time.

Karlsson on the top line is merely what that line needs. A Hard forechecker who can retrieve and get the puck to the Joe's and then go to the net. Yes, he is not really top 6 talent, but that is a requirement to make that line tick. Burnzie was so effective with Jumbo for that reason, albeit at a higher level than anything Karlsson can bring. And I want to keep Burnzie on defense, soooooo unless we go out and pick up another mucking forechecker who does those things, that line needs that particular gear to spin Even if it is a size too small for the frame.

Know any mucking tenacious forecheckers who go to the net available via trade?

Melker Karlsson (projected out to 82 games) 20.11 goals
TJ Oshie (projected out to 82 games) 21.63 goals

I realize this is a bland comparison because different teams, different lines, and different systems. However, we need goals in our top 6...

oshie isn't going to come for free, even with the postseason(s) he's had recently. not sure the sharks are better off with him if they have to give up promising talent in return.

You worry about blueliners and there offensive output too much in my opinion alot has do if they're on the pp, but i hear ya Bouwmeester definitely had an off year but he's still a good possession guy as Tim would say I'm sure he'll bounce back next year.
- SJSharks39

Maybe. He just seemed to shoot so much less this year and play tentatively up front.

Something was up and maybe he will bounce back. But he is no Vlasic in his own end and his stock has dropped.